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Thursday, May 05, 2005
[Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: oh [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: omg~ [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: i realise something. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: atheism is a religion! [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: haha |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: hi |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: eh? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its not technically |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: u did my quiz issit [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: hi [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: no i didn't |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: oh [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: atheism is as much about believe there is no god as the religious belief in one |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: atheism isnt a belief per se |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its a deduction based on logical reasoning and available evidence |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: blind belief that there is no god is satanism i think [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and christianity is a deduction based on logical reasoning of a different set of evidence? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: no, satanism believes in a god. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: nah christianity is faith [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: well, the anti-god >< [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: haha |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: there is no evidence for chritianity [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: yes, no one is disputing that |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its just faith passed on thru the generations [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: but can you claim strongly that there is evidence AGAINST God? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: god may or may not exist |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: ya [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: empirical studies have shown that some events cannot be directly attributed to science as well |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: theres no evidence against god [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: likewise as how events cannot be attributed towards religion |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but thats not to say they can never be attributed to science |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i think its only a matter of time before science explains everything [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: who is to say religious works cannot be attributed to god? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: that maybe god exists, only he is perceived differently? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: theres no evidence for such a thing- god is merely a product of antiquated superstitions... theres no logical rationale for believing in god going by the ockham's razor |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: perceived differently? like how? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its pointless talking about god then if we can never figure out if he exists [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: he may live within the bounds of our world and our physical laws |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: the universe can still go on without the notion of a creator |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: then he can be detected |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but he hasnt. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: however, since it was beyond the understanding of the previous civilisation, we perceived his acts as godly [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: like, if i were to travel back in time and strike a match in front of prehistoric cavemen, i would be perceived as god-like |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: uhhuh [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: god is collection of all things that we cannot explain [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: is the* |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: exactly [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: since things exist that we cannot explain, god must logically still exist |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: no |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: u cannot say that god must exist because there are things that we cannot explain [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: atheism, the believe in the non-existance of all manners of higher beings able to exert a limitless degree of control of space, time and matter, is just that, believe [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: god should exist, religion shouldn't |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: then god might disappear in the future if we can explain them? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: where is the objective truth here? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: god would always exist, to represent the grey areas in science |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: why do the existence of grey areas warrant a need for higher beings? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: i think the point is that reckless disregard for any other forms of being or existance other then what we can understand is arrogance |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: why cant they just exist as grey areas waiting to be resolved by science [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactly my point [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: in this case, science becomes a religion, don't you see? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: the faith that everything will be resolved by science? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: the believe that everything must be rationale? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: no, based on evidence [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: haha, christians would argue that too |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: science has been able to progressively explain stuff that used to be classified under magic before [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: that their works were based on "evidence" |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: so logically that should continue to be the trnd [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: understandably so |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: trend [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: i do not disregard logic and science [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: neither do i favour religion [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: but i think atheism, the believe of the non-existance of god, or rather, the faith in the superiority of science, is the modern religion. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: no i think its more of acceptance of scientific truths |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: the belief that science is the objective truth is actually a logical deduction based on experience [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: see, in the 15th century, before the renaissance, before the concept of science appeared, the understanding was that Christianity will explain everything |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: uhhuh [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so waking up in the morning was God doing something to you |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: by attributuing everything to an omnipotent creator [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: now, we understand that waking up is a shift in hormonal balances within the body [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: a perfectly logical statement based on current observation |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: now we know that there is no rationale for faith in such a creaotr as there is no evidence that a higher being exists [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: what we fail to note is the argument of the possibility of different points of view [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactly [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and maybe 2 millenia later, we will "know" once again that science was a set of sensory deception or something [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and that is something we cannot as yet disprove [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: that what we observe is what is, per se. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but speaking about things that can never be observed is really quite meaningless |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: like solipsism |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: science is the most logical and accurate explanation of our observable experience [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: only in the context of our OWN perception [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: that's where my idea of grey area comes in, you see |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: it is based on logic and reasoning and does not require faith derived from baseless assertions |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yeah [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: logic, or our perception of it, is purely a human creation [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and therefore as likely to be baseless as anything in human history -__- |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but speaking about anything that might exist beyong our own perception has no meaning to it [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: it does [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: it is the acceptance that perhaps, our level of intelligence is not necessary as of yet to explain everything |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: sufficient u mean |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: not necessary [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and also that our level of technology is not sufficient to uncover all the, as you said, necessary evidence [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: yea, sufficient >< |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but id say there has been an accumulation of intelligence throughout the ages [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactly [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and who are we to say that we are at the peak of it? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: newton might have been more intellectually gifted than most physicists today |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but he couldnt deduce special relativity due to lack of already accumulated intelligence [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: my point exactly |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: what we are doing is that we have closed the system |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i dont think anyone is saying we are at the peak of it though [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: we officially say, "We are at the epitome of understanding, our system of logic and reasoning as well as empirical studies is the ultimate way to go." [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: what we need is the believe that there are things that are beyond our current system [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: since as you very well know, logic has paradoxes |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: well, we are at out peak compared to previous ages [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: how can a system that can explain everything contradict itself? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but that is not to say that peak cannot increase [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: haha, read Godel [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: his incompleteness theorem. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: give me a logical paradox [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: many many |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: logical paradoxes usually stem from one or more inherently flawed assumptions [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: umm, do you want the mathematical proof for the inevitability of a paradox, or just an example? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: example |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but yah, i agree that our current system cannot explain everything |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yet. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: my point exactly [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so the believe in science is still a faith [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: the faith that our system will eventually explain everything [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: i think a clearer perspective is rather to understand that we have a working model for observation, but the model is lacking |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i think its more of a logical conclusion that because it has been able to explain veerything so far it will continue to do so |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yah |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i agree [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: to the 13th century bible scholar, the same could have been said >< |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: hte model is lacking yes |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but thats not to say it wont be lacking forever |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: thats the whole point of scientific pursuit [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: same as the degree in bible studies? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: bible studies is centred upon faith |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: theres a big diff between faith and science [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: there is |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: bible studies is the study of how ancient people thought the universe worked [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: but there is no diff between faith and faith in science. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: historical cosmology |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: that cosmology has since evolved. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: scientific pursuit aside, the faith that eventually, all will one day resolve to be explained by a single theorem is like saying that god will explain everything. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: what we see is people and scientists who utter disregard things they cannot empirically document and explain [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: for example, god. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: god is not an unexplainable phenomena |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: it is not even a phenomena |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: i think a clearer perspective is rather to understand that we have a working model for observation, but the model is lacking |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i agree with that [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactly |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: our "owrking model" has always been lacking |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but it has always been improving [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and within that model, we must have room to accept other possibilities |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: thats how scientific revolutions come about [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: when all other possibilities has been expended, and when left with a choice of an impossible explanation against a highly improbable one, the impossible explanation is the more likely |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: what? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: how can an impossible explanation even be an explanation? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: oh u mean |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: impossible based on our current assumptions? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactly |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: then its not impossible in the objective sense [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: something deemed impossible |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its like galileo saying that the earth revolves around the sun is an impossible explanation because current assumptions at that time said that the sun revolved around the world [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: not entirely |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but a seemingly impossible explanation cannot be adopted if there are no empirical evidence that support it [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: its rather like saying that light travels a constant speed in all frames of reference, or that space is comprised of a grand summary of nothing. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: explanations deemed impossible and perposterous in their time. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: mmhmm |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: no lah [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: everyone thought that matter permeated the universe |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: improbable [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: brb [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: back [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: yes, in retrospect, everything is possible, everything is easy [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: but as i said, specific examples is not my point [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: i think that what we need to see here is the fundamentals [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: what's your fundamental reason for rejecting religion? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: it requires blind faith in the existence of a creator? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its not necessary in this age of science and reason [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so you believe that religion surpresses pursuit of knowledge and objectivity? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: well, it does |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: how can one argue aginst that? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: what is more important to you, the fact that religion surpresses knowledge, or that it requires the faith in a creator? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: having blind faith in the unqualified existence of a creaot is pretty much the same thing as denying the absence of an objective truth |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: *creator [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: is it? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: does the fact that it is a singular identity, a singular creator disturb you? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: there is no correlation between the existenc eof hgiher beings and observations in reality |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: the fact that there is no evidence for such a thing does |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: if there were scientific evidence for the existence of a creator, i wouldnt be ble to say no to it, would i? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: in other words, is it because you don't like placing your bets on someone else holding knowledge, or because you feel that knowledge is being kept from you? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so your disbelief for the creator is based purely on a logical argument against the claims of the church? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: you see the point i'm driving at here? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its not a gut feeling that says the notion of a creator is bullshit [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: on the contrary [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: it is a gut feeling. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: no matter how well grounded, you will not except a highly implausible explanation for god, whereas as you said earlier, you would except a highly implausible explanation for scientific phenomenom [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: because god is a philosophy. no less. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: the only thing that causes me not to believe is the lack of evidence and therefore, rationale |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i will accept a highly implausible explanation for scientific phenomenon only if it is supported by observations in reality |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: and creation theory pretty much isn't [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: no one is saying the creation theory is. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: that is bullshit [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: we all know it [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: it is the christian's way of trying to explain theology through science [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: which time and time again has proven to produce nothing but the purest form of crap. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: theology and science go together as chimpanzee and hair gel does. |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: mmhmm |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i will have to accept that a creator exists in the event that there is unrevocable evidence for it. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactl [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: exactly [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: you demand unrevocable evidence |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes, i require congruence between assumptions and reality [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: whereas for scientific phenomenom, you would except an explanation as long as it has its groundings in science? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: irrevocable requires all other explanations to be passed through |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i will not accept it totally as objective truth |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but since it is grounded in logical reasoning [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: haha [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so you would not accept string theory as objective truth? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: it is the best possible explanantion |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: not talking abt string theory |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i for one |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: do not believe in the existence of hidden dimensions within our 3 spatial dimensions [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so everything to you must conform within a set scope of logical definitions? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: like rules? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: like rules that describe how reality works |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: anyone that asserts that string theory or loop quantum gravity is true is exercising as much blind faith as a theist in believing in God [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and somehow rejection is superior to acceptance? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i am not rejecting the existence of a creator, i am simply not considering it due to lack of evidence or logical basis |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but if string theory is the best possible explanation we have for the way the universe operates, and if it has not been proven false, then i will accept it as a matter of convenience |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but not label it as absolute truth [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: and therefore you believe in this system is that since the creator, or the string theory, does not fit your current system of logical and scientific understanding, they should be disregarded? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: string theory does fit in with logical and scientific understanding |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: it just has not been verified [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: verified as in? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: its like modern day religion |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: as in in terms of empirical evidence [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: right [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so you believe that empiricism and logical and scientific thoughts are the ONLY avenues for knowledge? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i am accepting it as the best possible explanation, for it is based upon intelligence that has been accumulated throughout the ages |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: u mean empiricism and rationalisation? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: yes [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: something along those lines |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: sounds like the scientific method to me [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: you see, atheism, in its purest form, is no better then religion. [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: it surpresses the gain of knowledge as well [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: philosophical deductions and rationalisation is disregarded and ignorned |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: well, it is not rejected outright |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but the most plausible theories are the ones that are generally accepted |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: and the ones that have the most groundings in accumulated intelligence and rules of logic |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: pure empiricism alone does not result in scientific progress |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: you have to formulate theories, like our ancestors did with religon, and either prove them right or wrong |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: at the very beginning, there was no accumulated intelligence |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: and therefore the only things man had to go along with was blind faith [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: interesting theory |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: but today that is not the case [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: so is your enemy intellectual apathy? or religion? [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: as in, do you think the problem is with people disregarding the pursuit of knowledge or because of religion's counter explanations and stuff which are corrupting minds? |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: religion is the result of intellectual apathy isn't it... |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: religion strives to bring mankind back to the ancient times |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: now that's serious apathy |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: i am reminded of industrial inertia [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: actually it isn't, that'll be intellectually disanthrophy |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: oh alright |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: refusal to move on despite new and more accurate explanations |agentquantum| http://www.atheists.org/nogodblog/ says: bith religion and intellectual apathy are counterproductive to scientific progress [Cogito Ergo Doleo] Ave Maria <ωαηġ> For he today who sheds his blood with me says: haha yea |
