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Thursday, April 21, 2005

on this note, here's an add-on to my earlier "argument against intelligent design". honestly, what more a theist might have to say, i'd dearly love to hear.

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there are many interpretations of the bible- and all are supposedly descended from god himself. plus, followers of any religion will undoubtedly claim that their religion is the one true creed- obviously there is conflict here. why are there different versions of the bible?

where is the scientific evidence for the existence of a creator? Why is the rationale for the existence of a creator, for as of today, it appears perfectly possible that the universe could have come about without the intrusion of supernatural phenomena? if the creator was omnipotent, why then, does he appear to have human emotions? also, according to the bible, the earth was created before anyting else. that goes against astronomical observations. what about scientific evidence for the big bang, or the universe's calculated 14-billion year age? if there really was an intelligent creator, why then did he choose for intelligent life on earth to be created only 14 billion years after the creation of the universe? and that is already assuming the fact that the earth was not the first celestial body to be created, something that obviously goes against the geocentric model adopted by the bible.what is the purpose for the rest of the vast, unexplored cosmos then, if god intended to create only earth for his people? god also supposedly created the two lights- the greater light to rule the day (the Sun), and the lesser one to rule the night (Moon). So the bible not only states that the Sun is actually superior to the all the other stars in the universe- a fact that does not seem apparent from astronomical observations, it also states that the Moon is a source of light! Obviously, we all know that that is not true, and it should be evident that a human must have written the bible, back in the days when it was not common knowledge that the moon was not a source of light.

according to the bible, god also created all the animals at the same time- something that directly contradicts cardon dating evidence from dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures. the astonishingly short age of the earth as represented in the bible- only a few thousand years- also directly contradicts such cardon dating evidence as well. Another point of contention is- why did god create the first man before he created the first woman? was he sexist? or did he merely have a memory lapse and forgot that sexual reproduction was impossible without a female? all that, and the apparently magical process that obviously had to be in place in order to make such unscientific creation possible- opposes everything that we observe in our universe today.

what about pseudogenes, then? why do we share the same pseudogenes as our fellow primates, why are we so genetically alike when humans are supposed to be unique in god's eyes... and what then is the purpose of these useless pseudogenes?

christians are often under the misconception that atheists outrightedly reject the existence of a creator based on nothing more than belief, but that is not true. that in fact, is satanism, an equally unqualified faith. it is not in the practice of atheists to believe anything based on mere gut as feelings alone; we base our assumptions and inferences about the world on actual empirical observations. as we have absolutely no evidence nor rationale for the existence of a creator, we do not think that such a creator has any logical basis in reality. however, as there is no way to disprove the existence of a creator, we cannot outrightedly reject the idea, only regard it with as much scepticism as we would regard any other religion.

the bible states that the creator is transcendent, and thus exists outside the four dimensions of space and time. now, assuming that a creator could be acting outside the influence of the fourth dimension is not only beyond the limits of empirical observation, it is also beyond the limits of logical reasoning. the very act of "acting" has to involve a temporal procession of cause and effect, and there is no way that any supernatural power could be "acting" or even moving outside the fourth dimension. then again, there is the problem of rationale- why should there even be a creator in the first place? also, the very notion of "existence" carries with it the idea of a spatial and temporal presence- how else could one possibly define "existence" then? what, then, do theists mean by a creator that exists beyond the four known dimensions of time and space?

theists also argue that the multiverse model of the universe, being empirically untestable, also requires an equal amount of "blind faith" for it to be applied to reality. there is actually evidence of alternate universes at the quantum level (quantum eraser experiment and rochester experiment). also, the existence of other universes has a logical basis and reality as well as a rationale for it (simple probability- no one universe should be favoured over any other, therefore all should theoretically exist), while the existence of a creator does not.

another point- what is the rationale for the distinction between sin and goodness? and why does it apply only to human beings? what is the rationale for there being an "afterlife"? on another note, why should christianity be the one true creed, and not islam or hinduism, both of which are religions that have been existent for far longer than christianity has been? of course, there is far more to the atheist argument than i have presented thus far, but i think that at this point it should already seem self evident that religion in general and christianity in particular are but logical fallacies and cannot be accepted as plausible explanations for the existence of our universe.

of course, there is the one ultimate way to prove that God is about as existent as Mother Goose, Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny- discovery of intelligent life elsewhere! you go SETI!!

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spacetime rip! by agent quantum , quite possibly at 4/21/2005 08:46:00 pm :)



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