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08 08 '89
leo
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Judoka





wishlist :

Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion by David Hume
The Road to Reality by Roger Penrose
The Fabric of Reality by David Deutsch
Matter and Consciousness by Paul Churchland
Consciousness Explained by Daniel Dennett
Full Catastrophe Living by Jon Kabat-Zinn
The Life of the Cosmos by Lee Smolin
Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan
The Sacred Balance by David Suzuki
Star Wars Legacy of the Force: Betrayal
Star Wars Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines
Star Wars Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice

Games:
Age of Wonders 2: The Wizard's Throne by Triumph Studios
Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic by Triumph Studios
Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood by Spellbound
Myth III: The Wolf Age by MumboJumbo
The Bard's Tale by InXile Entertainment
Dragon Age by Bioware
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir by Obsidian Entertainment
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II

Places I'd Like to Visit:
Sweden
Switzerland
Italy
France
Thailand
Brazil
South Korea
Japan (again!)
Norway
Costa Rica

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"When I became convinced that the Universe is natural that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bars, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world, not even in infinite space. I was free.
free to think, to express my thoughts
free to live to my own ideal
free to live for myself and those I loved
free to use all my faculties, all my senses
free to spread imagination's wings
free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope
free to judge and determine for myself
free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the "inspired" books that savages have produced, and all the barbarous legends of the past
free from popes and priests
free from all the "called" and "set apart"
free from sanctified mistakes and holy lies
free from the fear of eternal pain
free from the winged monsters of night
free from devils, ghosts, and gods
For the first time I was free. There were no prohibited places in all the realms of my thought, no air, no space, where fancy could not spread her painted wings
no chains for my limbs
no lashes for my back
no fires for my flesh
no master's frown or threat
no following another's steps
no need to bow, or cringe, or crawl, or utter lying words.
I was free. I stood erect and fearlessly, joyously, faced all worlds. And then my heart was filled with gratitude, with thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heroes, the thinkers who gave their lives for the liberty of hand and brain for the freedom of labor and thought
to those who fell on the fierce fields of war
to those who died in dungeons bound with chains
to those who proudly mounted scaffold's stairs
to those whose bones were crushed, whose flesh was scarred and torn
to those by fire consumed
to all the wise, the good, the brave of every land, whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of men.
And I vowed to grasp the torch that they had held, and hold it high, that light might conquer darkness still."
-Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899), "Why Am I An Agnostic?", 1896

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We are part of the universe. Our earth was created from the universe and will one day be reabsorbed into the universe. We are made of the same matter as the universe. We are not in exile here: we are at home. It is here and nowhere else that we can see the divine face to face. If we erect barriers in our imagination - if we believe our real home is not here but in a land that lies beyond death - if we believe that the divine is found only in old books, or old buildings, or inside our head - then we will see this real, vibrant, luminous world as if through a glass darkly. The universe creates us, preserves us, destroys us. We are part of nature. Nature made us and at our death we will be reabsorbed into nature. We are at home in nature and in our bodies. This is where we belong; this is where we must find and make our paradise, not in some spirit world on the other side of the grave. If nature is the only paradise, then separation from nature is the only hell. When we destroy nature, we create hell on earth for other species and for ourselves. Nature is our mother, our home, our security, our peace, our past and our future. Science is inherently materialist. It always seek material explanations. It never accepts as an explanation that some spiritual force was at work - if it did, then science and technology would come to an end. Disease was once thought to be caused by witchcraft. Science gave it a material explanation which allowed us to control it. Magnetism at one time seemed like a spiritual force - Thales of Miletus thought that magnets were full of spirits. But then science provided a material explanation. In the same way scientific pantheism believes that everything that exists is matter or energy in one form or another. Nothing can exist, be perceived, or act on other things if it is not matter or energy. That does not mean that spiritual phenomena or forces cannot exist. It means that, if they do, they must in fact be material. In scientific pantheism, science becomes a part of the religious quest: the pursuit of deeper understanding of the Reality of which we are all part, deeper knowledge about the awe-inspiring cosmos in which we live, deeper knowledge of nature and the environment, so that we can better preserve the earth's wealth of natural diversity. In scientific pantheism, cognitive openness - listening to reality, to new evidence, to all the evidence, to other people's needs and feelings - becomes a sacred duty in all aspects of life from science to politics to domestic life. Of course, we cannot say that science endorses pantheism. Many religions today state their beliefs in ways that no-one can disprove, so they can and do co-exist with science. But scientific pantheism positively thrives on science. scientific discoveries continually underline the wonder and the mystery of Being, the immensity of the universe, and the complexity of nature.

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Monday, July 12, 2004

quite bored, so lemme post this interesting lil' convos (adapted) that i had with xinyang early in the morning today.

--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
nothing can detect an external reality
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
science is not truth lah
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
whoever said science is the truth
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
well
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
it appears to explain why things happen
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
and if we ever do discover the ultimate unification
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
then its proof tt everything happens for a reason
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
even if in our quest for truth we find out tt there is an external reality
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if the universe was in anyway different from the way is it now, intelligent beings could not have existed or evolved.
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
u mean the universe created humans just so they cld question its elegance?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
no i didn't
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
ehh i dont think the universe had much of a choice
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i meant that, it is not a coincidence that the universe is the way it is
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
the big coincidence lies in our existence
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
why do we exist?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
because of evolution
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
time has evolved primates into intelligent beings
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if u investigate the beginning part of the evolution of the universe is almost random
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
that have thus begun to seek the truth
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if the electron was heavier
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
or its charge denser
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
...then it wldnt be an electron
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
or its charge lighter
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
or the strong force weaker
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
or the gravity obeying an inverse cube law
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
atoms cannot form
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
nuclear reactions cannot take place
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
hey
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
superstring theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
electrons are this way cos of the string's vibrations
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
it is the specific vibrations that determine the charge , the mass...
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but what if it vibrates differently?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if the string vibrated a different way it wld no longer be an electron
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but a different particle
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
ahhh
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but say the laws of science now work in a different way
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
it takes a great deal of coincidence to create living beings
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
much less intelligent ones
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yes
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
so why is our universe this way?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
why was it created this way?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
that is the question
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
what we are trying to find out
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
what we hopefully will find out
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
it is because it coincidentally creates us
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
thats why we are here to ask
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if it was created another way it might have another coincidence that make things happen a different way
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but we asking has no effect whatsoever on how the universe continues to function anyway
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
true
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but it is a coincidence that we are created
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
the coincidence is not in the universe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if the universe were any different, it cld still be elegant in its own way
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
exactly!
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if humans werent created, other organisms might still have evolved
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but we would not be there to question its elegance
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
true
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
and other being s will still be there to question its elegance
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
they would then observe another kind of coincidence
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
which puzzles them
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
as it puzzles us
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
and makes them wonder all the coincidences in the universe
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
why is 1/sqrt mu nought epsilon nought equals to the speed of light?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
why does gravity obey and inverse square law? why not linear or cubic?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
actually u cant say gravity obeys laws
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
any difference would have led a big difference
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
it is the laws tt are derived from gravity
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
patterns more like
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but why inverse square?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
why not inverse cube?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
why not linear?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
because the graviton was created this way
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
the string vibrates this way
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if gravity was linear we cannot exist
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
uhhuh
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
nuclear fusion cannot take part
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
*take place
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
gravity was created this way because its the only way it can be...?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
it can be other ways, but we will not exist
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
it is only when things match up and piece together very nicely, that we can exist
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
any difference in the string's vibration and a different particle will have formed
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
in other cases, it is match and piece together too
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
tts the elegance of it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but different
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
so different we cannot exist
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
it is impossible for gravity to obey inverse cube law because the particle needed for that to happen cannot be formed
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if the universe expanded 1/26000 seconds faster nuclear reactions cannot take place
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
and this is because spacetime is discrete?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
1/26000 slower the universe would be consumed within years
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yes
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but that could not happen
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
because the particles needed for that to happen cannot be formed
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
cos space have existed for more billions of years
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
the string cannot vibrate tt particular way
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i dun like the string theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
because energy comes in discrete units
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
thats the part i believe in
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
there are parts of string theory i find not plausible
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
energy coming in discrete units is not the string theory boy
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
and here im joining string theory with loop quantum grav
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yes i noe
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
it was discovered in 1900+
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
long long before any string shit
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
i noe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
im interpreting the theory my own way
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
using other factors to explain
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
oh okay
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
this elegance of our universe
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i still dun like the string theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
i dont like parts of it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
like 11 dimensions
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
calabi yau manifolds
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i dun like all of it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
why?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
whats not to like?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
cos there is no reason for me to believe it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
*believe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
its the best theory arnd to believe in
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
its our best chance...for now
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
you give me a proof u might as well make me study 20+ years of math
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i cannot understand the proof
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
thats why we have to take it at face value
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if other ppl can...why cant u?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
which is why i dun like it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
there is no proof
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
u sound like sheldon glashow
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if there was
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
u cant say u cant understand it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
all u gotta do is try'
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
for now i dun like it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
because there is no proof?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
in the future i might
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
okay
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
for me im not saying i buy it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
because before i understand it there is no reason for me to believe it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but there are portions of it that can be used to explain the universe
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
just like philosophy
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yarh
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
believing in string theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
when there is no proof
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
is just like religion
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
we cannot understand it, we have to either take it at face value or study 20+ years of math
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
newton's laws rock becos even as i walk i can prove it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
it is not about how things work
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
its about how things happen
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
and that, i believe is the most reliable
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but string theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if proven
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
can explain why things happen
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
then good for the string theorists
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but for now, before we know anything about string theory, let’s not take things at face value
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
i noe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
of course
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
there are so many other possibilities we can consider
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
as i see it anything i can say about string theory is what the scientists tell me
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
how can i know if it is correct?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
because we dont understand it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
we trust them
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but i dun't
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
its my problem i noe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
its their duty to bring us correct information
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but its my problem too if i dun like string theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
why should they not tell us the truth as it is?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
ahhh
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
why should aristotle lie then?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
they are telling the truth...but still they cant prove the theory
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
he didnt, did he?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
he didn't
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but he made mistakes
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yes he did
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but aristotle was one man
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
this is the global scientific community
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
his theory is backed by millions
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
who trusted him
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
almost all
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
what a fallacy
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yep
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
things are different
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
how so
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
much more people are involved
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
like the whole world
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
physicists all over the globe
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
so?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
that means we should trust them?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
watever they do is based on math
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes?
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
not assumptions, unlike aristotle
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
unless u say u dont trust math?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
so?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
not that
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i trust myself
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i dun believe until i see it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
i noe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but tt doesnt mean u shld totally reject it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i haven totally rejected it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i just dun like it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
theories are not meant to be liked or disliked
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
they are meant to be used
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
corrected
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
disproved
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but they can be
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yes are meant to be used
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
but they can be liked or disliked
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
i noe
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i remember the famous quote
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
me im taking an objective stand
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
"i don't like it, and i'm sorry i ever had anything to do with it"
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
by erwin schrodinger
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
oh! who said that...
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
oh him
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
whose theory led to the opening or parallel universes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
i mean the possibility of parallel universe
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
haha
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
okay
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
im still taking an objective stand
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
just like einstein
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
whose general relativity opened up the possibility of black holes
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
and he was against it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
why?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
he just dun like it
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
dun like the possibilities of black holes?
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
yah
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
cos at singularity general relativity breaks down
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
and no laws govern it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
and nothing can be done about it, nothing can be known about it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
which is why einstein dun like it
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
if i were him (fat hope) i would like it either
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
*wouldn't
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
yah
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
but possibilities are just possibilities
>sealt6< and hell's comin' with us says:
if it cant ever be proved, then id say it doesnt exist
--<<{cHeoNG faTT}>>-- ask for skin to be removed says:
its like u spent 10 years on a math problem and someone tell u tt if u assign it this value it won't work

spacetime rip! by agent quantum , quite possibly at 7/12/2004 11:15:00 pm :)



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